Showing posts with label starting rotation. Show all posts
Showing posts with label starting rotation. Show all posts

2011-11-16

Let's Start It Up


On occasion I enjoy firing out a late night gem on the Twitter feed right before I fall asleep. Normally these are well thought out snippets regarding your Toronto Blue Jays. The reason for this is the enjoyment I get waking up and seeing the responses, if there happen to be any. A few nights ago I came up with this:

I am not against acquiring another SP but I wonder if we really need one. Ricky, Morrow, Cecil, Alvarez, McGowan looks fine. Drabek 1st up.

Now that right there friends is a statement. I had been thinking along those lines all day and I did my best to jam it into the 140 character maximum. Let’s see what my people had to say about it. 

@Tammy_Beth that's been my thought all along - but i am a sucker for the Yu idea (with Cecil to the pen) 
@twit_terrific Didn't we all think exact same thing last offseason?? Assumed RR,BM,BC would take next step & BM+BC did opp. DM unsure, HA who knows.. 
@daveellis66 agreed. Most excited for Alvarez in the whole bunch. 
@Raiderfan_NOC I wouldn't trust dustin 
@HouseOfTheBB I think the issue isn't that the Jays don't have enough pitchers its that they don't have enough high end pitchers

All fantastic points and some interesting variances in opinion. I very much wanted to address them all individually but the space limitations were prohibitive. Here are my thoughts on the matter, the long version…..

6'0 215lbs

Entering 2011, Ricky Romero had not yet earned the ace title. On the other hand he was our best pitcher, so he got the ball for opening day. He made all his starts and threw another pain free 200 plus innings mostly matching up against the best our opponents had to offer. That's no easy feat. He was an All Star, albeit a last minute addition after a bunch of wimps back out.

Let’s take a look at a few of his key stats as well as his AL rank. 

The Good
6th in ERA with a sexy 2.92
8th in IP with 225
4th in CG with 4
12th in K with 178
10th in WHIP at 1.14 

The Bad 
4th in HR allowed with 26
4th in BB with 80
3rd in Hit Batters with 14

If you said he had some control issues then I would be forced to somewhat agree with you. He misses a lot of bats AND gloves. Falling behind in the count to big league hitters tends to lead a walk or a hard hit ball. Ricky is finding this out the hard way. His reliance on the above average change up could help explain all the long balls. 

All that being said, I think you could slap a semi legit ace label on him now. Could we use an upgrade here? Sure, of course we could. But so could about 25 other teams in baseball. On the bright side, our top guy is going to cost (a put your ski mask on kind of cheap) 5 million dollars in 2012. More importantly he grew into the leader of the staff and was the guy everyone looked to give the bullpen the night off.

6'3 195lbs 

Entering 2011, Brandon Morrow was expected to have a break out season. Spoiler alert: it didn’t really happen. He has the gift of being able to throw absolutely effortless gas but was handcuffed with an innings cap and missed a few games early in the year after being shutdown in spring training. He did end up making thirty sometimes frustrating starts and set a career high for innings pitched.

Here's some of his highlights as well as his AL rank. 

The Good 
7th in K with 203
1st in Strikeouts per 9 innings with a rocking 10.188 

The Bad 
4th in Wild Pitches with 12
5th in Hit Batters with 12

I for one am not quite ready to call his 2011 season a disappointment just yet. Only one guy in all of baseball had a higher strikeout rate than him. He’s your classic power pitcher and they always have bouts of wildness. Brandon is no different. In the second half of the year I did see a guy who seemed at least interested in trying to figure out this whole pitching as opposed to throwing thing. Word on the street was Papi got him to trust in the cutter sometime after the All Star break and he toyed around with it for his last 5 or so starts. Before that he had basically become a two pitch pitcher. Check out the repertoire below. For comparison purposes I’ll include his 2010 percentages.

Fastball:
2011 61.8%
2010 58.4%

Slider:
2011 26.4%
2010 15.3%

Change Up:
2011 6.4%
2010 14.1%

Curveball:
2011 5.4%
2010 12.2%

To sum up, one pitch out of ten was not a fastball or slider. He has got to mix in some muffins more often. That needs to be and will be addressed. Realistically he only needs one of the two offspeed pitches to be working on any given night to be successful. Another thing I've noticed is when he pitches out of the stretch he tends to get hit more. I'm sure this is true to a degree with most guys but with him it's rather dramatic. If he can find a way to stay in the full windup just a little bit more each time out it could pay off for him as the season goes on. Hopefully he can avoid those high stress innings that have become all too common. Look for him to have the innings cap shackles removed for the first time in his career next year.

6'1 235lbs

Entering 2011, Brett Cecil was coming off a very successful campaign, the first full one of his career. I think people were expecting him to pick up right where he left off and that certainly did not happen. After just 4 starts he was optioned out to Vegas. A dip in velocity was observed by all and whispers of a possible injury began making the rounds. Statistically speaking, he lost about two full MPH off his fastball. Many felt this caused him to reach back which in turn altered his mechanics. Basically he was lost on the mound. The hope was he would find it in the Minors and that didn’t really happen either.

Let’s take a look at some of his MLB numbers from 2010 and compare them to 2011.

Walk rate:
2010 2.81
2011 3.06

Strikeout rate:
2010 6.10
2011 6.33

Groundball rate:
2010 44.2
2011 38.2

Flyball rate:
2010 38.2
2011 43.5

Homeruns per 9 innings:
2010 0.94
2011 1.60

The one that really jumps out at you is the gopher balls. Like Ricky, he relies heavily (22.6%) on his change up. And like Ricky, when hitters sit off speed and get off speed it tends to go into the seats. I’m no pitching coach but I think it’s fair to say he may have lost some confidence in his fastball this season. And I think that’s probably the easiest pitch to regain your confidence in. He needs to throw it more not less, especially early in the count and then work off it as the game goes on. Perhaps his well documented lack of fitness played a role in his tough year. On the positive side of the ledger, he’s under team control until 2016 and threw over 200 innings in 2011 between his time in AAA and the show.

6'1 195lbs

Entering 2011, Henderson Alvarez had never pitched above High A ball. He was a good prospect but nobody really expected much from him yet and rightfully so. Not known as a strikeout guy despite his above average fastball, he skipped right over AAA a la Kyle Drabek and established himself as a viable starting option in the big leagues. Still only 21 years old he doesn’t have much of a breaking ball to speak of just yet. What he does have is a turbo sinker, a swing and miss changeup and a huge set of balls. This kid is not afraid to challenge hitters early on in the count which often leads to some very quick innings. That approach works more often than not if you have the movement on your stuff to pull it off. Simply put, watching him pitch is a refreshing change from the other starters in the rotation. His biggest asset is his near pinpoint control and he has shown that he can pitch to both sides of the plate. If only he could develop a pitch that goes right to left, even just the show me type. Another thing I’ve observed is what I like to call the Jesse Litsch conundrum. He can’t throw the ball straight and that’s not necessarily a bad thing. Occasionally mixing in a hard four seem fastball in the top of the zone won't allow hitters to sit on his off speed stuff so much.
 
6'3 235lbs

Entering 2011, Dustin McGowan hadn’t thrown a pitch in a professional game since 2008. He wasn’t on the radar at all. Everyone was cheering for him to get healthy and monitored his now legendary rehab quite closely. Realistically though, none of us could expect much in the way of contributions. We all had been down that road too many times riding shotgun with Dusty and I fully understand the apprehension in trusting him with innings. Well wouldn't you know it, he did come back and pitch again. The results in this specific case don't really matter that much. Everyone who watched him pitch will say the same thing, that being he looked pretty darn good. He featured the classic four pitches. His fastball came in around 93MPH pretty consistently and when he reached back for more it was there. I saw him throw a few sliders that were almost that hard. The changeup looked respectable and the curve had some good finish. His delivery was smooth, effortless and repeatable. It's hard not to dream about what a near full season of him in the fifth starter role would look like. He's the perfect guy to skip in the rotation on off days. I literally pray every night that he has a great off season and reports to camp feeling strong and loose.

6'1 220lbs

Entering 2011, Kyle Drabek was the new guy. He had made 3 starts at the end of the 2010 season and things looked promising. He was given a legit shot at making the club right out of spring training and took full advantage. Featuring a solid four pitch mix, he was looked upon to stabilize the back end of the rotation. We had all heard the concerns with his “make up” when the deal for Doc was done. Truthfully, I didn’t really know what that means. After watching him for a few months I think I’ve got a better handle on what people were talking about. Kyle is a hothead on the mound. He loses his mind whenever any little thing doesn’t go his way. I once saw him take a swipe at the dirt on the mound after a ball squeaked through the infield for a hit WITH HIS PITCHING HAND. I guess it’s better to start off too pumped up and have to be reined in a little then the opposite but man, it was embarrassing at times to see him act out on the hill. Let’s be honest, white guys aren’t supposed to turn that red in the face unless Halle Berry is present.

If you guessed that reference was only an excuse to put up a Halle Berry pic then you would be 100% correct.

No but in all seriousness, if you have given up on him being a big part of the team moving forward then please click the little box with the X in it located at the top right hand corner of this web page. Cut the guy some slack. In fact you should cut the guy a lot of slack. He’s been an absolute beast of a pitcher at every level of baseball he’s ever played at. Failure is not an easy thing to accept for people used to being so successful at their craft. The kid still has mid 90’s heat, a cutter that moves about six inches and a stupidly filthy hook. Once he learns to trust his stuff in the strikezone watch the fuck out.

Conclusion:

My initial statement stands. With respect to an upgrade, he would have to be a top end guy and let's be clear: I’m not against this. Nobody should really be against this. However, unproven Japanese pitchers with big price tags are not exactly what I had in mind. I sincerely doubt Yu Darvish steps right into this rotation behind Ricky.

If it ends up we can't find another starter this winter, I’d be completely comfortable rolling the dice with these six players going into next year. Is it good enough to take home the big prize? Probably not.

If I may put a positive spin on things for just a moment it's really quite this simple:
  • Leave Ricky alone
  • Get Brandon to throw more benders
  • Send a personal trainer over to Brett's house
  • Show Henderson how to throw a slider/cutter/curveball
  • Treat Dustin like found money
  • Give Kyle some more time
 All photos courtesy of daylife

2010-03-11

It Is As Easy As 1, 2, 3

Concentrate on the black dot.  Move your head closer and then farther away.


Your Toronto Blue Jays have three guys who are pretty much locks for the starting rotation in 2010.  Those same three guys will undoubtedly be the first three guys in the rotation.

Candidates: 

Ricky Romero is a young lefty who gets a lot of ground ball outs.  He is entering his second season after a successful rookie campaign.

Shaun Marcum is a soft throwing righthander that keeps the ball down and pitches to contact.  He is a pitcher not a thrower and relies on his defense to make plays for him.  He is coming back from Tommy John surgery.
     
Brandon Morrow is a flamethrowing righty that brings the heat all day.  He doesn't need to hit his spots all the time to get people out.  He has never thrown more than 70 innings in one season.

So how do you set them up in the starting rotation to maximize the effectiveness of the different pitching styles?

I think we should go Marcum, Romero, Morrow.  Here's why.....

Marcum can locate all of his pitches and throws under 90mph.  He will slow down the bats and make the hitters feel comfortable in the batters box.  They will get great swings, just not square it up.  Because of this, a high number of balls will be put in play.  The fielders will be able to stay in the game on defense which should help them produce when it's our turn to hit.  We are going to need them to preform beyond there abilities because we will be facing the other teams ace. 

Romero then gets the ball and turns around any switch hitters.  Also, the right handed hitters will get the start against him after watching Marcum the day before.  He has less pressure on him and should feel like he doesn't have to win games on his own.  He can use his splitter, keep the ball down and the innings short.  This should help keep our fielders in the game, much the same way Marcum does.   

Morrow then takes the ball and turns around all the switch hitters again.  The left handed hitters will be re-inserted into the line up, having sat against Romero and last faced Marcum.  Their timing should be off the first time through the batting order which should allow us to get an early lead in the game.  Morrow will not be able to go deep into games this season and should have an innings cap.  After two times through the order he can hand the ball over to the bullpen, hopefully in line for a win.

And if I had to guess, the next two pitchers will be lefties.  Brain Tallet and Dana Eveland should do just fine for now.  Regardless of what our field manager says, I am not convinced Marc Rzepczynski will be on the opening day roster.  He has option years left and because of that, I believe he starts the year in AAA.

"I like the way he pitched for us last year," Gaston said about Rzep. "As I've said, his record surely didn't show how well he pitched for us last year, but he did a good job. And, he did a great job today. Like I've said, when we leave, we leave with him."


Once Dustin McGowan is ready to go you let him be your fifth starter and send Wolverine to the pen.  You can skip him whenever there is an off day.  This should keep him fresh and will help keep his innings down.  Plus his mid nineties fastball will be a perfect lead in to Marcum and his soft stuff.

Not having a true ace will be tough this year but if we set up our rotation wisely, we may be able to get away with it.   

Summary:

To start the year:

Marcum
Romero
Morrow
Eveland
Tallet

Once McGowan returns:

Marcum
Romero
Morrow
Eveland
McGowan

What do you guys think?

I wrote all this out, checked King Jordan's blog for a quote and found this: click here

Fuck me

2010-03-09

Attention Everyone: It's Only Spring Training



Things not worth giving a shit about:
  • Any of the stats you will find if you click here 
  •  Or this:
Team W L PCT GB
Tampa Bay 5 1 .833 -
Toronto 5 1 .833 -
NY Mets 6 2 .750 -
Atlanta 5 2 .714 0.5
Boston 4 2 .667 1.0
Florida 4 2 .667 1.0
Detroit 3 3 .500 2.0
Minnesota 3 3 .500 2.0
NY Yankees 3 4 .429 2.5
Houston 2 3 .400 2.5
Pittsburgh 2 4 .333 3.0
Philadelphia 1 3 .250 3.0
St. Louis 1 4 .200 3.5
Baltimore 1 5 .167 4.0
Washington 0 6 .000 5.0

Things worth giving a shit about:
  • Dustin McGowan has not appeared in a game yet.  He will pitch a two inning simulated game today at 10:00am.
  • Brett Cecil has not appeared in a game yet either.  He is scheduled to pitch two innings in a "B" game on Wednesday.  
If either of these guys has a setback, they will not be ready to go north with the team as a starter.

"Getting built up to the 100-pitch mark is difficult to do without six starts." said A's manager Bob Geren.
  • E5 has not appeared in a game yet. 
“When I hit the ball off the end of the bat is when I feel the pain”

Hitters take considerable less time to get ready.  They really only need about two full weeks of at bats.  But you have to wonder if our third baseman is going to be able to play defense everyday with a surgically repaired wrist.   
  • Mike McCoy will get a look in the outfield.  
"Everybody's got a chance," Gaston said. "He's certainly got Reed out there against him. Reed's got a chance to play. Mike McCoy has a chance to play the outfield, too, and play the infield. So, just go out and play well. Everybody's going to get a chance at it."
  • Travis Snider is working on a new trigger at the plate.  
He has lowered his hands in his stance and struck out 6 times in 13 at bats.

"Simplifies the load," Snider explained.

2010-02-17

1 Blue Jays Way : 25 Man Roster Challenge






















Alright, so I had this great vision come to me about a month ago.  Wouldn't it be neat to have the four contributors to this blog try to predict the Opening Day, 25 Man Roster for your Toronto Blue Jays?

Then we put up a poll that closes before the rosters must be announced, so that you the reader could vote on who you thought would win.  If in the event of a tie, we could use the starting rotation as the deciding factor because no doubt that would be different.  At stake are bragging rights for both the results of the vote and the actual contest.

I figured there was ample lead time and everyone agreed it was doable.  No one wanted to start too early because Boy Wonder was busy doing his thing signing marginal free agents and trading for similar mid talent type players.  As the deadline approached we didn't want to talk about it to each other because no one wanted to let the other guys know what they were thinking.  But it became evident that we all had very similar views on about 15 of the potential candidates.  It was the final few roster spots that would determine the potential winner.  There was also a possibility that no one would be right and we would all lose.

In the next few days, you will get to read everyone's view and rational behind their selections.  A point of clarity: this contest is who we THINK will be on the 25 Man Roster not necessarily who we WANT.  We tried to use our head and not our heart.  Please do the same when casting your vote.

2010-02-03

2010.....Destined To FAIL?






















When thinking about the upcoming season, numerous things keep me up late at night.  There are quite a few issues that will undoubtedly contribute to our losing record.  I have decided to pinpoint one that seems particularly hopeless considering the circumstances.             

These are the ground ball figures in percentages of the potential starting pitchers for your 2010 Toronto Blue Jays.  These stats represent the number of times a ball was hit on the ground as opposed to in the air or on a line. 

Romero: 54% 6th overall in MLB
Rzepczynski: 51.2%
Ray: 48.1%
McGowan: 2007 53%  2008 41.4%
Hill: 2008 46.3%  2009 30.2%
Marcum: 2008 43.1%
Cecil: 42.6%
Morrow: 2008 33.1%  2009 37.3%
Tallet: 36.3%
Litsch: 2009 34.4%  2008 48.5%  2007 48.1% 
Richmond: 33.6%
Purcey: 31.5%
Mills: 14.8%

From this I can conclude there will be quite a few balls going up in the air off the opposing teams bats next year, most likely toward the outfielders.  Now let's take a look at those projected outfielders Ultimate Zone Rating (UZR) for the 2009 season:

Adam Lind, LF: -8.1 
Travis Snider, RF: -2.4
Travis Snider, LF: 0.0
Jose Bautista, RF: 5.1
Jose Bautista, CF: 0.6
Jose Bautista, LF: -1.9
Joey Gathright, CF: -0.9
Joey Gathright, LF: 0.7
Joey Gathright, RF: 0.4
Jeremy Reed, LF: 3.7
Jeremy Reed, CF: -0.8
Jeremy Reed, RF: -1.3


Which brings me to the 3 time gold glove outfielder.
Here is our savior's career UZR:

2009: -18.2
2008: -14.3
2007: -1.1
2006: 7.5
2005: 3.2
2004: 9.9
2003: -18.3
2002: -8.8

Anybody want to take a guess at which three years he won the award?
What worries me the most is the steady decline.  


Not pretty.  Although there is one combo that doesn't look as bad as the others.  Snider in LF, Vernon in CF and Bautista in RF provides average to above average defense in two of the three outfield positions.  Look for these guys to be on the field when anybody named other than Romero or Rzepczynski is starting.

After discussing this with The Human Rain Delay, we decided that maybe we could try a rover out there.  Let the shortstop play up the middle alone. 













Or we could ask the commissioner's office if it would be OK if we played four across like they do in slopitch and kill the DH.  That might help with the black hole / void space that is Vernon Wells in center.

I am a big believer in matching your strengths to other strengths as a team.  Over the 162 game season, your weakness will be magnified for all to see and exploited by other teams.  You can help minimize them by acquiring players that fit into your team vision.  Check into what the Mariners are doing.....can you say pitching and defense?

For example, if you have a couple of guys on your roster that can run, group them together in the line up and turn em loose on the base paths.  That way they are not caught behind a slow runner thus neutralizing their speed.  If your team has a few guys that can slug, group them together and put a couple of on base guys, lead off type guys, in front of the them so that there will be runners on when it is their turn to hit.  If your pitching staff throws a lot of ground balls, go get some vacuums / human walls to play the infield positions.  And if your pitchers can't keep the ball on the ground, find some rabbits to play the outfield that can go deep into the alleys and make plays for them.  This type of stuff only makes sense.

 The brain trust has done none of this this off season.  

All they have done is plug holes and brought in players that are cheap.  We have made no attempt to match our strengths as a team.  We traded for a fly ball pitcher, re-signed a slick fielding shortstop that can't hit, then signed another slick fielding shortstop that can't hit, a catcher that can't throw anybody out, yet another right handed reliever and a bunch of stiffs on minor league deals that can't do anything.

What good does it do to sign players that bolster your already average infield defense, if you know that most of the balls that are going to be put in play are going to go to your well below average outfield defense?

2010-01-28

But you're a strange animal, I got to follow



So what the fuck are we going to do with Dustin Michael McGowan?


















He was drafted by us in the first round, 33rd overall, in the 2000 Amateur Draft.  He will be 28 when the 2010 season starts.  For his career, he is 20 - 22 with a 4.71 ERA.  In 2007, his last full season of play he made 27 starts and held batters to a .230 batting average good for 4th best in AL.  He possess 4 above average pitches: a mid 90's fastball with good sink, a change up, a curveball and a slider.  He has 3.113 years of Major League Service Time and will not become eligible for free agency until 2013.

He was unable to throw a pitch for us in 2009 and has battled various injuries over the course of his career.

July 9, 2009: Surgery to repair damaged cartilage in his left knee
July 31, 2008: Surgery to repair fraying of the labrum in his shoulder - Debridement surgery
May 13, 2004: Surgery to replace the ulnar collateral ligament - Tommy John surgery

He also has Type 1 diabetes.  Type 1 diabetes is the worst form of the illness, which has no known cure. McGowan receives a daily shot of insulin to regulate his blood sugar levels, and he will do so for the rest of his life unless it happens to get worse. If the disease progressed, McGowan could be forced to wear an insulin pump 24 hours per day.

Earlier this month some positive news came out.  It was reported that he was feeling good and was ready to resume pitching off a mound.  He indicated that he was looking forward to spring training and has hopes of being in the starting rotation.

“I feel good. My shoulder feels great. I’m throwing again and looking forward to getting back on the mound,” McGowan said.  On a scale of one to 100 percent, McGowan rated his fitness high. “Oh, I would say I’m somewhere around 85 percent.”

Great news! 

There is only one major problem that I can see, he is out of options.  So he had better be ready to go this spring.  He will be throwing off a mound tomorrow and needs to pass this major test if there is any chance of him making the opening day roster.  I doubt the brain trust would risk exposing him on waivers because someone would surely claim him.  He has to much potential not to take a chance on him.  So what do we do with him?  Does this mean he breaks camp with the team?  If so, where does he fit in? 

His arm stamina must be at an all time low.  He will need some time to build it up, especially if he is a starter.  I'm not sure if he will have time this spring to get it where it needs to be.  Perhaps he will is better suited for the bullpen to begin the 2010 season, which would only further complicate things there.

Now try to avoid the knee jerk reaction that I guarantee you are about to have.....at some point this season, Dustin McGowan should be our next closer.  I know, it sounds crazy.  But hear me out on this.  The more I think about it the more it works.  He would be able to reduce his inning totals significantly out of the pen.  He could drop one maybe even two of his pitches out of the arsenal, preferably his least effective and/or the one that causes him the most pain in his wing, and still have the stuff to do it.  We are going to need a long term solution in the back end of the pen and I don't see either Frasor or Downs as it.  I wonder if either of them are even going to be on the roster after the July 31st trade deadline due to their looming free agent eligibility.  Why not ease him back in by putting him on mop up duty for a couple of months and then give him a shot?

That being said I would love to see his power arm in the starting rotation along with Brandon Morrow.  You could split them up with a little Shawn Marcum action and follow with a funky lefty like Romero.  That type of mix from power to finesse back to power at the top of your rotation would certainly throw off the opposing hitters timing for a three game series.  Mix in a few southpaws and you might have a little something right there.

I guess it really boils down to how many innings can he pitch without hurting himself and if he has the balls needed to close.  We won't know the answer to those questions for a while.

In the mean time with respect to the waivers situation, fear not, there is a way around having to risk losing him that way.  Many teams attempt to do it with their players that are out of options.  I think it is very interesting to see all the guys who are in that situation suddenly get injured the week before the 25 man roster needs to be set.  The players don't really mind because they still collect their service time as if they were playing.      

So, McGowan starts 2010 on the 15 day disabled list similar to last season.  Then he would stay behind in Dunedin for an extended spring training followed by a trip to the minors on a "rehab assignment".  This might buy the brain trust the few weeks they need before having to make a decision.  In that time, hopefully, all the other major league teams finalize their rosters and our chances of sneaking him through waivers improve if we go that route.  As a nice side bonus, this may be the extra time he needs to build up his arm strength if we intend on keeping him on the major league roster.

Damn this spring is going to be interesting on the mound!  Pitchers and catchers report on February 18th.    

2010-01-06

Hope...Part Two...The Starting 5...


The definition of hope from Webster's website:

Intransitive Verb

1 : to cherish a desire with anticipation(hopes)

Transitive Verb

1 : to desire with expectation of obtainment

2 : to expect with confidence

Kind of fitting when discussing the starting rotation. When it comes to hope and your 2010 Toronto Blue Jays that GM AA is assembling, I’ve thrown most of my hope towards the starting rotation army of all 12 of them. Yes that’s right, as it stands right now, the mighty Cito has 12 guys to make up his rotation. At this point he can have a pre and post all star break rotation. Which might be exactly what we need, as I write this we’ve got so many guys that are going to be on innings watch or coming back from injuries, most of our guys probably won’t be able to make it all season. I just grabbed Jordan Bastian's picks from his blog on who he thinks might be the starting 5.

Ricky Romero
Shaun Marcum
Marc Rzepczynski
Brett Cecil
Brandon Morrow

I like the names for the most part, I'd change one, but I'd totally change the order.
Let's dig into this and take a closer look.

Returning from injury list:

Jesse Litsch
Shaun Marcum
Dustin McGowan

Innings Watch List:

Brett Cecil
Brad Mills
Brandon Morrow
Robert Ray
Ricky Romero
Marc Rzepczynski

Then we’ve got David Purcey, Brian Tallet and Casey Janssen as other candidates.

Most of the guys that are on the innings watch list are very young and management will probably want to keep a close eye on them as they’ll never have pitched the amount of innings that’ll be needed of them before. Hell with Doc gone, a lot pitchers are going to have to do a lot more then ever before. Somebody wake up the bullpen, they don’t get every 5th day off anymore. But back to the starters, let’s look at my starting 5.

From the all star break last year, all I kept hearing was that we have Shaun Marcum coming back “soon” and he got hyped up to the point he was going to be our savior. Ummm, did I slip into a coma and miss a season or two? He’s good, but he’s going to have to get a hell of a lot better, with a career high in wins with 12, that’s just not going to cut it this year. That being said I just don’t see how Marcum isn’t on the hill April 5th in Texas . Out of this group, he’s got the most experience and I just don’t see who else could pitch game 1 of what could be a very, very long season.



Ricky, as soon as Halladay was traded it was apparently common knowledge to all sports reporters that Ricky don’t call me LL Romero was going to be leading the charge for this rotation. How in the holy hell can that be? Here we have a kid, who most people questioned being picked 6th I might add, who is 25 and has pitched 1 year in the bigs and we expect him to lead this rotation. He might have the best stuff but that doesn’t mean he should be the leader of the rotation.

Brandon 2.0 , in reading about this kid after we traded one of half of the tattoo twins to get him; he’s supposed to have some great stuff. It’s just unfortunate that Seattle jerked around with him and messed him up. I’m glad to hear AA has stepped up and said he’s going to be a starter for us. I say pencil him in at number 3 and let him work his way up if he’s got the stuff people think he has.

Slots 4 and 5 are where things start to get really interesting. In 4 I’ll pencil in Rzpczynski, we didn’t see much of this kid, but of what I saw I liked. He had a good start to his pro career after posting some very good numbers in the minors. Let’s see what he can do over the year. The 5 spot; Cito being Cito, I have to expect that somehow Scott Richmond will get penciled in here. I’m not sure how the f Cito throws this guy out there every 5th day. Don’t we have kids waiting in the wings with much, much better stuff? I’m torn on this one, I’d like to see what Janssen can really do, but I think he’s a much better pitcher in the pen. Do we throw in Brian Porno Set Extra Tallet? To wrap up my “dream” rotation, I’m throwing in Robert Ray into the fire. It’s more then likely going to be a long season of 162 this year, I say throw the kids in and lets see what we got. What do we have to lose? The GM has already said that we’re not playing for this year. 2010 for these Jays is going to be the longest spring training schedule in history. Every young kid we got needs to get a chance and needs to get a lengthy chance. Do you hear me Cito? Don’t put a kid in there twice and decide he’s shit and throw Richmond back in his spot. Give these kids a chance to show us something. For f’ sakes Cito, these kids will be on this team long after you’re kicked up stairs to collect your money to watch baseball.


Don't get me wrong, I love the fact that we've got a small army of players in the starting position. We all know that Cito is going to burn through a lot of these young arms. Then we got the cursed training staff who seemed to bust a starting pitcher every few weeks last season. At least we've got plenty of options to go along with that bucket of hope.

I'm not telling you anything most of you don't already know. I'm just trying to dig through the mid rotation guys to put a starting rotation together. Let the prediction game begin, it's the only game we've got until spring training starts. Who do you have in your starting 5?